Text Message Q & A from "Regeneration and Baptism of the Holy Spirit""

Text Message Q & A from "Regeneration and Baptism of the Holy Spirit""

Q. So can a new believer today receive salvation but not the Holy Spirit? What about vice versa?

A. One of the difficulties in preaching a series of messages is that much of the current message is built on the foundation of the previous messages. That is the case with this message. I think I can answer your question and also the question of several other people from last Sunday that did not text in. There has never been another way of salvation other than in Christ and through the "new birth" (John 3:3). This new birth takes place by the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit in the life of a person. Thus if a person does not have the Holy Spirit, they cannot be saved. Romans 8:9-11 makes it very clear that if a person does not have the Spirit, they do not belong to Christ. 1 Corinthians 12:13 states that it is the Holy Spirit that takes us and adds us to the body of Christ. So, remember this in context of everything else I may say or write: Every person who is born again, saved, etc must have the Holy Spirit at work in their life in salvation. This was true for those under the old covenant and those in the new.

With that said, what I was talking about in the baptism of the Holy Spirit was something other than salvation. I gave five biblical examples and one historical church practice of how this baptism of the Holy Spirit from Jesus is different from salvation in Jesus. They are not the same. Really that was my whole argument. Regeneration and the baptism of the Holy Spirit that Jesus promised, that which came at Pentecost (Acts 2), are not the same. In Baptist life, while perhaps not intentional in most cases, we have given the impression that they are the same. That Pentecost is what made salvation available to all. But that is not true. A closer look at the biblical evidence of those under the old covenant and even those outside the old covenant that came to faith would remove that argument. Pentecost did add to this, but it did not start this. Pentecost did something else. That something else is, I'm afraid what we have lost. That is all I was saying. 

Q. Why have I been in a Baptist church since I was 2 weeks old and I've never been told that I need to be baptized with the Holy Spirit? Have I just been blind to it? What do I do to receive the Holy Spirit in the kind of power they had in Acts?

A. I hear your heart. I think my realization of the need for something more just came out of a Bible study that went through the book of Acts and then intersected it with the letters of Paul and Peter in the context of the Book of Acts. I would then look at where my life was and where the people in our church were in comparison. It just didn't match. If Acts and the Epistles were the standard, we were sub-standard. "Why" was the big question.

My intention was not to describe what the baptism of the Holy Spirit by Jesus was or to give a prescription for it, nor what it would look like in believers then or today. All I wanted to do was to show that there was a difference between regeneration, the new birth and the baptism of the Holy Spirit that Jesus promised from the Father. I will explore these other issues in later messages.

I do want to offer a word of caution to whoever may be reading this blog. When talking about the things of the Spirit, there are many different conclusions and opinions by good and godly people. They vary from how the Holy Spirit works in salvation to His empowering believers today and evidence for that. I am not presenting my messages as theological papers but as a road map to seeking revival. I believe that when God inaugurated the body of Christ at Pentecost, He did it in revival. Revivals have occurred all over the world since then in the Christian church, much like what we see in Acts. The outpouring of God's Spirit on His people is revival. That is what I am seeking and that is what I believe God is directing us at Village to seek. That will make us consumed by the love of Christ. That is revival.

8 comments (Add your own)

1. Frank Coy wrote:
Sorry that I missed your message last Sunday, since I was out preaching in an Hispanic Church. Actually I was given the pulpit at 12:15 PM and ended the message at 12:45 PM. It does seem to me that Baptists historically have underemphasized the doctrine of the Holy Spirit while others have given an over emphasis. Certainly we need to discover the power and the person of this dynamic for Christian living and ministry. While I feel that believers are "baptized by the Spirit" (1 Co. 12:13) we do need the filling of the Holy Spirit again and again. The question that was asked you above could express the desire of all believers to experience his filling repeatedly. Eph. 5:18 gives us the command to be filled and the context provides some evidences of his filling as well as an indication of how to receive that filling. We are to be submissive to Christ and to each other (5:19, 22) That submission can be both an indication of being filled and as a path toward it (obedience). Eph.4:30-32 also indicates that we have to rid ourselves of sin so as not to grieve the Spirit.
Hey, I am not preaching but seeking to comment on the question that was asked you. And I am sorry to miss the sermons during worship for the next two weeks since I will be out again. I say, "Perdoneme, mi pastor!" Betty and I pray for you and for the staff regularly if not daily. We are grateful for your ministry among us.

Thu, May 3, 2012 @ 2:12 PM

2. Eric wrote:
I am sorry to hear of your hurt which is annulment realted. who have I defended our marriage for twelve years through a long nullity process.I remain very Catholic, having returned to the sacraments, via confession, after years of struggle which is divorce realted. My wife and I had fivechildren who have survived the annulment process. I was opposed to it from the gitgo, not opposed to the theory behind it when properly applied, but because I was there and I know my wife(ex-wife, if you accept civil divorce; I never signed off on ours, just could notstop no-fault divorce). Almost gave up three years into the battle. I was abroken man but hearing my sobbing 10 year old daughter tell me that shehad no right to be alive if mommy and daddy were not married nearly tore my heart from my chest!I promised her I would defend our marriage for the rest of my life. It gaveher broken heart some consolation. I keep that promise, living faithful toour vows, now more than 20 years later. Our children KNOW they came from love. I did not defend it from guilt, however. I meant my vows and I never had any reason to believe theirmother did not. I have no intent to preach at you or be anything but kind. Our children haveseen terrible injustice through all of this but have a father who accepts theconsequences of his mistakes and has done everything possible to addressthem. I find things that parents do in their selfishness, mostly egotism masquerading as hurt, to the children they have brought into their relationship, reprehensible. I understand each couple has its own story butselfishnes is most frequently a major player.I just wanted you, as the child of divorce, from this father, who carries a very heavy cross knowing how much I contributed to the circumstances that my wife chose she could no longer bear but which I could not convinceher to persevere through, to take whatever if any comfort you can from myapology to you and especially all children of divorce, from my wounded butvery human and loving heart.God bless you, sweetheart. I never have stopped learning from our children and, now, their 11 children.Karl

Fri, June 1, 2012 @ 2:36 AM

3. Priyanka wrote:
Perfect aneswr! That really gets to the heart of it!

Fri, June 1, 2012 @ 5:33 AM

4. Abell wrote:
Such an impressvie answer! You've beaten us all with that!

Fri, June 1, 2012 @ 7:29 AM

5. Sarah wrote:
Haha. I woke up down today. You've chereed me up!

Fri, June 1, 2012 @ 9:39 AM

6. Christopher wrote:
Thanks for sharing. What a pelsaure to read!

Fri, June 1, 2012 @ 10:31 AM

7. Ilknur wrote:
Unbelievable how well-written and ifnroamtvie this was.

Fri, June 1, 2012 @ 11:20 AM

8. Julie wrote:
I like to party, not look articles up olinne. You made it happen.

Sun, June 3, 2012 @ 3:01 AM

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